Public sentiment demonstrates a complex mix of patriotic pride and skepticism regarding the military operations associated with Independence Day. While many express excitement and enthusiasm for celebrations and performances, others raise concerns about the political motivations behind military actions and the government's transparency in handling national security. This polarization highlights a desire for community spirit alongside a critical view of governmental narratives.

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Shi3f

Bhai tyres bhi green krlo aur Suzuki ka logo b reh gya hai, interior b acha lgega white green

Away-Illustrator-539

Just to be clear, the car was green. I didn't paint it

Biscuits-911

Oh wao. Mr bean car shape in Pakistani theme line. Amazing

MoonzRedditz

Assim muneer NY inkay liya nishan e imtiaz k iilan kr Diya hai pvt mein dygy

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AlteredCabron2

Good. Amazing Idea. But plz don't put handbrake and try to do a donut in a FWD car(which is not possible)

Dear-Key9491

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SAJJAD_ALI_79

Independence day hasn't been the same it used to be 3 years ago...

Puzzleheaded_Wall671

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TheNo1Username

Horn k jaga bajaa install krdo 😭😭😭

Poodina

"requires quiet, sustained work, not hasty action "....words of gold but bjp and modi just want to stay in power so they don't have to answer for ALL the mistakes made so far

1tonsoprano

You are asking good questions. No one will want to engage with you to answer. Reddit is notorious for finding engagement in posts that are self bragging, and full or pride posts. Tough questions will remain unanswered. I asked similar question in some of the earlier posts but I find no one responding. If someone posts how we gave Pakistan a run, then it is full of congratulatory, meme, self bragging responses supporting each other. 

  
People are failing to realise how much it costs us, and how much it will cost in future. 

  
I'm repeating this again, we will never know who won this battle. Both countries would thump their chests and keep their head high. Because, govts, militaries cannot admit lapse on their part at this crucial time. However, truth can be found out through future course of actions. If Pakistan and China reduce infiltration and provocation  going forward, they know that India has a tough stance and can cause heavy damage to them just like in this battle. If Pakistan and China continue or increase the provocation at borders, we apparently lost the strategic posture we had by exposing lapses and weakness in our military. I will wait on watch how the next two years spans. Jai Hind.

sparrow-head

1. They mentioned the tour operators opened bookings without informing and getting permission from the officials. Previously this used to open during June.

2. Even if we kill 200 or 500 more, you can't be sure. They don't see themselves as terrorists, they are brain washed into thinking they are doing it for the greater cause, which for them is to take Kashmir away from India. Pakistan has a history of backing them. There are people who support these terrorists inside our border itself.

The funniest thing I've seen is people of Pakistan question why Asaduddin Owaisi is supporting India even though he's a muslim. Do they seriously think that Muslims in India don't support their own country? 

The Pahalgam attack was clearly orchestrated to divide us by religion and create conflict. There might have been opposing and controversial opinions which were flying around but unlike what they think, the general people put our country over their religion.

88-Radium-226

Unfortunately posts like this are rare and mostly downvoted by the majority because many right now are really consumed in the war and revenge mindset. Frankly if things go there it's just going to be a downward spiral resulting in death and destruction. 

There seem to be more questions than answers at this point. But I doubt they will be answered because asking them alone is deemed anti-national by many.

Feeling-Writing-2631

Everyone just forgot those 4 terrorists, they got killed or still at large???

STAYEVIL17

u/opinion_discarder  
Here you go  
1- the Pahalgam terror attack. Why did the government leave a meadow full of tourists completely unguarded?  
This was a failure there was an int on an attack on tourist places but what the Forces and Agencies missed. The location choice was very out of syllabus type. Not something that was expected. And you have to realise, Mountains are not like cities where you can get 10 min deliveries. That is the forces fault combined. They will take the blame.

2- The armed forces have now claimed that the strikes killed 100 terrorists, including some marquee names.  
Yes, remember the ground troops are expendable. The training centre's  and senior leadership isn't. They'll be baying for heads if it was just the ground troops. But now there will be panic and fear in the recruiters, planners and trainers that they are not safe.

3- Did the government factor in Chinese weaponry before launching Operation Sindoor?  
Ofcourse. We knew the performance of their air defence because Iran had attacked them. We knew the JF17's performance and challenges. See I would say their was a time in recent years when their pilots had more experience as they did frequent bombing raids in Afghanistan and even in their own country. Now that is not the case. Losses happened on both sides. Our forces being professional accepted it.

4- What larger objective did Operation Sindoor serve? If anything, it has shown that all it takes is a few terrorists to precipitate a crisis and drag a country of a billion people into war.  
This is what no one is reporting on or emphasizing on. Ask any retired top level commander in the country and they will tell you. Pakistan always had a rhetoric. Touch me and we all die. What this attack did was showed them that we will fight. If you do any more cross border attacks on civilians, we will consider that an act of war and the cost of these antics is escalated dramatically. It was never about invading Pakistan. It was about showing Intent.

boywithaskulltattoo

Also, the more obvious question is: what happened to those 4 terrorists who executed the attack? Their sketches and a photograph had been released. Did the efforts to capture them stand terminated? (Which I doubt, but…) If they are ongoing, why is there no report on the progress behind it?

PreciousChocolate

I fear you'll be bombarded with unnecessary hate and hype by people who're just chilling busy typing and spreading the hype constantly. It needs you to be on a backfoot to actually see things in this way, develop a certain type of mindset to ask questions like this. I'm glad there are people thinking like this. We might never know the answers to these when all the media and citizens are busy seeking attention and dopamine from this whole situation, but it's always important for these questions to exist, from any source possible.

hearmedontsee

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This one tho

Ok_Somewhere9687

This. Glad few are asking right questions.

maveri4k

If we need to take a W from this whole fiasco, we need to amplify the questions raised here. This should never be the mode of engagement or the outcome in case of future events like these.

The main misstep from the government is the failure to provide damning evidence for the pahalgam attack. If we did that it's easy to gather international sympathy, all this would have been a lesser blow to our international image.

This was a bait from the get go and knowing the hubris that the current establishment holds they knew it would work. They were waiting for an armed response.

Underestimating the enemy has been a tale as old as time. We failed to learn from the last encounter we had with the PAF and only a fool repeats the same mistake. Humility helps one make real progress, it's time we eat some humble pie and make positive adjustments. It's the road to real strength.


We need to be smarter and better.

Aggressive-Refuse786

This is so true. If we can attack after the incident happens. Why not take measures to prevent it. I still remember almost a month before the incident there were intelligence warnings regarding possible terror attacks. Nothing they did to stop or prevent it. Just gave warnings and waited for them to get caught automatically. I'm really surprised that if we attack them they will stop future incidents. Really? If they have to stop they would have stopped after a surgical strike. But this only aggregate who ever is remaining in the terror camp after the attacks. They will come with new plans more deadly. This is a repeated cycle. They should identify them before hand and eliminate them before they even plan it

nagaraju291990

I am really amazed by the way the Pakistanis have put more efforts on tackling the Rafales. While in India we have been under the impression that Rafales can't be touched, they have proved it otherwise. With a collapsing economy and a military budget that is meagre compared to ours they have made efficient use of the money.

Having said that, this gives us valuable lessons about how we can utilize our budget effectively to tackle the Chinese, if the need arises.

bhayanakmaut1984

I face palmed myself so hard when I heard the government trying to defer responsibility and making excuses that the tourist spots open only in June. I literally went there last year in May. 

Nothing they say should be taken at face value. They killed 100 terrorists? Who counted? It wasn't a ground op lol. 

We must have incurred significant losses in air combat as the French company stocks plummeted and the Chinese maker had a huge gain. The West doesn't want to see their military capabilities being weaker than the Chinese, hence the details are hidden.

srv05srv

Additional components to this, the complete FIR file for the incident was filed in impossible speed, which suggest pre-prepared documentation. 

The terrorists also would have to walk through an entire elevated large forested terrain and walk back out without any interception over a long period of time, the extreme slow &amp; lack of response is very concerning. 

Additionally, security gaps over such a large area when this region is extremely tightly militarized by Indian army raises another flag. 

I’m not sure why mainstream media has downplayed this hard when local impacted Kashmiris and Indians raised concerning numerous testimonies against the gov.

ZesticZ

My biggest issue is why did we not have anti-shell tech ready and did evacuations from Poonch, Rajouri etc to the bunkers that are already there, after launching Sindoor. People on our side died unnecessarily.

FalconIMGN

The first question is the most important one

mrbubblegumm

This is pretty much what I've been scanning from day 1.

charavaka

My guess is they used Rafael to launch SCALP and Hammer missiles and thus they would have disadvantage against PAF jets who were carrying only Air to Air missiles and dint have heavy long range A2S missiles. 
We should use Su30 as bomb truck and use Rafael as Air cover. 

The details will come out I'm a few months on what tactical lessons can be learned. We may want to integrate SCALP with Su30 if not already done or a smaller version of Brahmos for limited strikes with Su30.

dogef1

There was a time when ahinsa was the way to go and it proved a statement.

captaindeadpool53

As an outsider and even among Indian ex-pats, it feels like political theatre by BJP. Lots of Indians and Pakistanis will be drawn into nationalist fervor obviously but really the commoners in both nations have much more common with each other than with their respective asshole leaders.


Also, not impressed with the massive amounts of brigading on social media. For those of us who are used to seeing social media campaigns, we just tune out because most of the stuff said are either disinformation over laden with agenda. We will just have to wait for the truth to come out after the dust settles.

EmployAltruistic647

To the buffoons here who think they know more about securing a state of 60L sq kms, with 700 Himalayan mountains and a 1000 glaciers than the Indian Armed Forces.

If you have never climbed / sumitted a mountain over 16'000 feet above sea level, please stfu and go back to playing video games. Otherwise join the army and then think of coaching.

IBNash

Why is everyone obsessed with Rafales? It's just a fighter jet. Militaries all over the world lose these machines. US lost a few bombing Houtis.

You cannot compare what we did to them vs they downing few of our jets.

We have managed to hit all their critical air bases with impunity and they have absolutely nothing to counter with. We have shown plenty of evidence of our damage and most importantly the accuracy with which we were able to pound them. They in turn have no hard evidence, citing SM posts that in turn cite them. Just ridiculous.

The rest of the post is just noise. It's shocking to read someone comparing the downing of few assets with utter dominance shown by bombing all their strategic bases. Their bases were completely at the mercy of the operators of our firepower.

Regarding govt or military not specifying the number of downed assets in the middle of conflict, you or me are not entitled for that crucial information. Why help enemies by specifying the amount of operational fighters?

Really, a lazy write-up.

akshayreads

What a stupid conclusion to arrive at. Alright. 

1. Intel failure. We dropped the ball. No other explanation, happens to the best in the world. USA with 9/11, mossad with oct 7. And terrorists never targeted tourists generally coz that hurt the livelihood of the locals. A few attacks happened on Amarnath piling rims, but tourists in general were never targeted.

2. Yes, it will deter. The message here is not to the terror organisations. It’s for Pakistan’s military. Without the backing if the state, these organisations can’t do much damage. So Pakistan will think 10 times over before approving such an attack coz they know the cost they have to pay. They clearly didn’t expect India to retaliate to this level, the sudden retraction of responsibility by TRF explains it. 

3. We’ve proven that the Chinese Air defence is junk. We hit deep inside their territory twice and they couldn’t intercept the projectiles. Even the drones managed to take out some air defences. Pakistan tried entering and attacking us, they were repelled successfully thrice. Sure a few drones got through, but the damage is Minimum. When you attack air bases in every major city and cause significant damage, it clearly proves the capability of our air force. 

Now coming to the loss of jets. Yes, we lose atleast one jet apparently. We were the attacking force, the odds are always against us. There will losses and we’ve downed Pakistani jets too. And I don’t think it should bother us that much, we achieved our objectives, got our pilots all safe and sound. A loss of a pilot is lot more damaging than that of a plane. 

4. This was answered brilliantly by Shashi Tharoor in his interview with Karan Thapar. Please watch that. India won’t be going to wars just coz a loony blows himself up. If we see the meticulous planning and the MO of Pakistan, our intelligence confirms that the attack has got something to do with Pakistan, that’s when we go to the war, just watch the interview if Shashi Tharoor, he did a much much better Job explaining this policy. 

Operation sindoor has sent a message that India will take off the gloves now. We will deep inside Pakistani territory and the HQs of terrorist organisations. ISI and Pakistan army now know the price they have to okay before funding such proxy wars in India.

Soggy_Ad_4612

First question is very valid one and we should ask it to our government. Government should be held accountable for that.

For 2nd and 4th, please be patient with me and allow me to present one interesting dilemma. It's a game theory, prisoner's dilemma. You'd know why we will never get answers to this and why no answer will ever satisfy anyone.

Imagine two countries are in eternal conflict. We have these scenarios, 1. If one of them becomes very powerful and develops disproportionately then the conflict will cease to exist. 2. If none of the two develop the strength, then both will continue to have conflicts but much less harm. 3. If both of them develop and become powerful, then the probability of conflicts going out of hand increases tremendously. Potential harm is exponential

By default any rational mind would choose to develop themselves thinking the other won't do the same and conflict will be muted. But the end result is usually the third scenario. Both will try to be powerful and will be at some point. Potential of harm is much more though one choose to be powerful just to avoid conflict! Nuclear arms race is a live example of this.

Same with the casualties. If you'd let go and not decide to act on Pehelgam incident that's the least harmful option. But would it make sense? No. You cannot let anyone attack you and be on defensive forever. If you act, you would loose lot more but you'd give a strong response or atleast try to tackle the attacks like these. 

Nothing is deterrent because both the parties involved are constantly trying to be stronger than the other. Same is with advanced weaponry. Even nuclear weapons are not deterrent anymore.

Due_Extreme_5064

Yes these are posts we need to posting and reading. I get the equivalent of the school yard bully strategies when anyone talks about show of force. 

Honestly speaking, everyone should look at how the other side is reacting ? What emotions are we trying to evoke the opposing side and if our actions are successful in doing so. Like always people are short sighted and the people in power will perform for the people to lap them up in jingoistic glory.

testuser514

Let’s say India didn’t counter attack. What would have been a good response instead, according to the intellectuals here and how it might have played out in the long run?

[deleted]

Taking out one, or even a few French built/designed jets does not signal China's tech outstrips the West.  

Pretty certain other Western nations could also shoot down a Rafale.

It's more a sign the West doesn't have the huge edge they thought with military tech.

Squigglepig52

Here's my two cents on the same:
1. There have been multiple reports of tour operators functioning without requisite permissions. This is not just a Kashmir issue, this is happening throughout India. The more appropriate question would be why aren't tour operators throughout India subject to stricter laws? And why isn't the appropriate authority ensuring their execution?

2. The average number of terror attacks has seen a sharp decline post the change in doctrine seen in the response to terror attacks in J&amp;K. Before 2019, the average number of terror incidents in J&amp;K used to be in the hundreds, post 2019, there has been a considerable shift in the stance of terrorists. This can be due to the fear of unrestrained retaliation from the Indian Armed forces. (Stats can be checked via Statisa or SATP). So in short, yes, it can be said definitely the new policy has made a stark difference. And the same trend is expected to continue.

3. We as civilians have zero idea about the amount of technological advancements the Indian Army has been through. However what I do know is that the Indian Army does not even consider the Pakistan Army to be a challenge, for years their eyes have been on the Chinese cause they know that that would be the real task. There is extensive surveillance of the Chinese military equipment. That can be stated with certainty. 

4. Coming to the last question, the answer is actually multifold. The first and the most important is that what earlier was a stance, has now become a rule or a doctrine (quoting Ajay Bisaria). This is the new benchmark, the new normal. It is now abundantly clear that any militant activity will prompt a decisive military response. This essentially creates new barriers for the adversaries, since now they will be forced to also think about the results of their actions and the repurcussions attached along with it (which includes economic, strategic and reputational damages). There is now essentially a zero tolerance policy against acts of terrorism in place.
Secondly, the unspoken N-word has finally been taken out of the said out in the open. This stern resolve has obviously stirred many, including some to the East. 
Thirdly, many high value terrorists have been neutralized. 
Fourthly, there is this new air of self reliance which has never been witnessed before. Made in India drones not only performed excessively well,but was in fact better than its Turkish counterpart. Let's not even get to Aakash and Brahmos. This shows that India has immense potential in the military equipment manufacturing sector and that needs harnessing. 
Fifth, since the Indus Water Treaty is now in abeyance India has vast control over its water resources. This can now be used in a multitude of ways. Off the top of my head I see great potential in agriculture in J&amp;K which is drought prone. This is also obviously a non-military tool of strategic importance. It was also a opinion of many that the treaty favoured Pak. India also will now be pressurized to build infra to store all the excess water. Which is a win for the region. 
I'm also missing a lot of points, by my fingers are tired from the typing.

charizard2607

Question 5 - is there a plan in place in case Pakistan backed terrorist forces decide to strike us again which would take less time than it takes right now?

sivasuki

If you are genuinely curious here is mohak mangal
Explaining what was gained.

https://youtu.be/xBjcBkP_i6Q?si=A-qmbT0AT45jwivD

For first questions they have accepted was a security lapse.

spinningweb

India is claiming that there was evidence of more attacks planned, that have been twarted by Operation Sindhoor. So we don't know how many lives have been saved - we don't know how many more attacks would have happened in an alternative timeline where India didn't attack.

Snoo5349

A counter question?

What your response would have been?

Genuine question, how do you guard against an attack by a terrorist unit under the leadership of an ex special forces officer? Are you asking for armed platoons in all tourist sites in India? Terrorists hit the Taj hotel once. Should all 5 star hotels have a platoon too?

narayans

1.) The was a security failure and intelligence gap. We cannot have both at the same time. I at least expected a press release accepting fault for this. Nothing happened. No one was held responsible, at least not in front of the public.
For all the people who are going to say intelligence failure happens once in while, sure it does, but just know cost of it now. I hate mass surveillance but I think it's much needed in JK, given the situation.

2.) We striked infra that was supposed to be training and recruitment facilities. These facilities are cheap and can be rebuild within a couple of days. Striking a weapons depot, going after the money trail leading to financer of terrorist operations is very much needed.

3.) Losing a jet cost most than taking out defense systems and also very embarrassing to loss one in our own airspace. I understand we did it to warn pakistan about the consequences it would face, but it cost us more.

4.) It was more of power move and show of force from India. Because in a couple of months the camps destroyed will be rebuilt/relocated and operational, terrorist recruitment will increase because of the hatred and misinformation, pak got a loan to replenish their military infra and backing from china. All that will matter will be the civilians lives lost and financial hole it leaves on the defence budget.

At the end of day, it doesn't matter how much military infra we destroy, we will have to agree to a stalemate because of nukes.

Our main focus must be to infiltrate and decapitate pak nuclear command and their nuclear program. Like israel and US have been doing to Iran.

GreninjaShuriken4

It’s simple. 

The international coverage that you read these days has no value. No one reads nyt and makes a decision. Decision makers actually make decision with different things in mind. 

Why India had to do this? Obviously to make it clear that terrorism isn’t free. Unfortunately our people are too weak. If you are afraid of this much war then it’s lost cause

Accomplished_Ad_655

The day common Indians and Pakistanis realize we are manipulated by our respective governments, and that instead of enabling their excesses with participatory jingoism we should rather ask bold questions, is the day we will finally start the journey of the long mend.

As a Pakistani by descent, I have nothing but love for you guys and my own countrymen. For you, because despite all the flaws you stuck it out with democracy. For my countrymen because they have the capacity to endure under such tremendous difficulties. I wish we found a way to hold our governments to account and push for peace. One where we don't employ proxy groups against each other, give freedom to disputed areas, give protection to minorities, go after corruption, and lift millions out of poverty.

letstrydifferentokay



This should answer your first question. : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/pahalgam-attack-terrorists-mingled-with-crowd-herded-them-towards-armed-members-who-killed-toursists-at-baisaran




Another question you need to ask is why was Pakistan asking for Pahalgam's satellite images in the past two months before the attack? https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/defence/pahalgam-satellite-images-bsi-pakistan-maxar-technologies 


Also to your question "Will this act as a deterrent against future terror attacks?" , even a first world country and 9/11 victim USA hasn't been able to get rid of terrorism since their popular "war of terror" actions taken in 2002 by them in Pakistan and the world still suffers consequences. Then how can you expect India to guarantee there will be no terrorism in future. All India can do is always be prepared and ready and keep strengthening its forces and economy.


Nobody has forgotten the terrorists, and we have more qualified people than you and me who would be looking into it. At times of crisis, while questioning the govt is completely fine and speaking in Vikram Misri's own words "a sign of healthy democracy" , you also need to be trusting that the higher ups are not fools and some of them especially the military armed forces are not that stupid 

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Why are they covered up at the beach? I need them shirtless T-T

But gorgeous art either way

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Fun-Cranberry3718

Gonna turn into Kaveh just so I can hold them 👀

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he looks soooooo pretty i think i might explode

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(also thanks for the code)

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Free ideal circumstance? Don’t mind if I do!

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